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In the "Little Things" video, the band members commandeer the public address system at "Waldorf High Secondary
School," a stand-in for La Plata High. "There's no such thing as Waldorf High School," notes Benji. "But
when we made the video, we made all the signs say 'Waldorf High School,' just so we could represent Waldorf," the town
north of La Plata in Charles County. Teen queen Mandy Moore plays the snobby girl, a cameo Benji characterizes as "awesome."
La Plata High band director Timothy Bodamer taught the twins in guitar class during their junior and senior years.
"I think that their video is . . . very pertinent to the way they were," he says. "I'm sure that would have
been them in their first couple of years of high school." Bodamer remembers the twins as eager students who were brimming
with enthusiasm. Once, he says, they came to class particularly hyped. "They were all excited, saying that they invented
a new chord," he says. "Well, it was a C major chord. I was, like, 'Guys, that's been around since Beethoven.' "
Good Charlotte's beginnings can be traced further back than Mr. Bodamer's guitar class. Benji and Joel say that
they knew they wanted to be pop stars the night they attended their first concert, a 1995 Beastie Boys show at the Patriot
Center. "We listened to the Beastie Boys since we were in first grade--when I was in grade school on Rock Star Day I
dressed up like Mike D," says Benji. "We got the last two tickets for that show, so we had horrible seats. . . .
But we knew every word to every song and it was just awesome." By the following year, the twins had formed
Good Charlotte, enlisting drummer Aaron and bassist Paul, and later, a second guitarist, Billy. (In deference to the twins,
the other band members don't use their surnames professionally either.) They named the group after what Benji calls an "old-school"
children's book they read when they were small. "It was an insignificant book in our lives," he adds. "It didn't
change our lives or anything. The big story with our band name is that there's no big story." Mostly their
influences have been musical. The Beasties, of course, but also contemporary punk bands like Green Day and Rancid and rappers
Missy Elliott, Eminem and New Orleans's Cash Money crew. They've also been inspired by vintage acts. The band's debut album
contains homages to the Sex Pistols and the Clash, bands the twins discovered along the way. "I found out about a lot
of my influences through newer bands," says Benji. "Like the Clash, the Sex Pistols, Minor Threat. I didn't know
who they were until I started listening to Rancid. Then I'd read any Rancid interview I could find, to find out what they
liked, and then I'd go out and buy it. I think that's how a lot of kids find out about older bands." When
the twins graduated from La Plata, they decided against college, opting instead to pursue a career in music. "It was
kind of a hard decision," says Joel. The band members spent several difficult years working dreary jobs and trying to
land gigs. "We definitely struggled," says Benji. The twins worked as shampoo boys at an Annapolis hair salon, and
before that one or both of them worked at Target, Borders Books, Up Against the Wall and other stores at the local mall, St.
Charles Towne Center. The job cycle usually lasted a few months--which is how long it would be before one of the brothers
overslept after a gig and got fired. After Benji landed a job waiting tables at the Acme Bar & Grill in Annapolis,
the restaurant/club became a regular Good Charlotte venue. Owner Roy Dunshee still likes to call the band members "the
punks next door." Annapolis-based WHFS was also an early supporter, and the band has returned the favor. The
album's "Festival Song" wasn named after the HFStival, at which Good Charlotte has performed twice. The station's
staffers discovered Good Charlotte playing at an Annapolis bar. Program director Robert Benjamin says he was smitten, both
by the band's music and by its members. "Benji once told me they wanted to be a combination of the Backstreet Boys and
Minor Threat," he says. "They want to be big, they want to be famous, but they also have real punk rock roots, and
that's really important." The station started playing a demo of "Little Things" before the band even
had a record deal. Benjamin was convinced the song would become a hit. "Everybody's a geek in high school--or at least
feels like one," he says. "The other part of the appeal is that it all seems real. They're not made-up stories.
They grew up in Waldorf, and the album comes off that way. In that way it's very different than the Orange County bratty punk
rock bands. This is a little bit more working-class." But even before Good Charlotte landed the HFStival slots,
the twins were supremely confident: Early on, the group posed for its first-ever photo shoot (the photographer was the twins'
little sister), and the photographs were included in promotional packages Benji sent to various record labels. "I wrote,
'You can sign us now for cheaper or you can sign us later,' " he recalls. "We didn't get any responses."
Undaunted, Benji and Joel wrote the album's "Waldorf Worldwide," a reggae- and hip-hop-style declaration of
their frustration, ambition and optimism. "We wrote it at a time when we were really broke," says Joel. "I
was eating soup for, like, a year because I couldn't afford to go to the dentist." "The only way we got
through was daydreaming about making it big," adds Benji. "I knew that all this would happen. From the day we started
the band I knew--not in a cocky way, but it was just a feeling. A very comforting feeling. So it was exciting when it happened
and it was, like, amazing, and it was really crazy, but it wasn't unexpected." In the spring of '99, a guy
who worked in the mailroom of Sony's mid-Atlantic branch in Beltsville handed a Good Charlotte demo tape to regional promotion
manager Mike Martinovich. "I couldn't believe these kids that were 19 or 20 years old were writing songs that were so
mature, thoughtful and unaffected," says Martinovich. "They were writing about their own lives as they were happening.
Almost every song they write is autobiographical. . . . Good Charlotte is very attuned to their surroundings, their family,
their friends. This is coming out of suburban America." Epic's executive vice president of A&R, David Massey,
signed the band to the Sony-owned label within a year. "It was one of those signings that was a no-brainer," he
says. Massey compares Benji and Joel to another pair of brothers he signed several years ago--Oasis's Liam and Noel Gallagher.
"They have similar,... blue-collar backgrounds, where they made their own luck and created their own opportunity through
determination and blind ambition." Benji keeps a written list of his career goals. "It's a list of dreams,
things I want to do, and every time something happens, I cross it off," he explains. "In the last six months, I've
crossed out a lot of things." When Dad Didn't Come Home. Like the time Mom went to that institute, 'cause she
was breakin' down . . . Like the car we had that wouldn't start, we had to walk to get around . . . And that same
year on Christmas Eve, Dad went to the store . . . We checked his room, his things were gone, we didn't see him no more
. . . . --"Little Things" Benji and Joel are identical twins, born five minutes apart. They don't
look identical--Benji is heavier, with a shock of dyed-pink hair and many piercings. But they've been best friends for as
far back as they can remember and, in conversation, they have a tendency to finish each other's sentences. Their songwriting
collaborations usually come easily, but "Little Things" was different. The song's lyrics are all true,
they say, including the ones about their parents. The boys' mother, who lives nearby in Calvert County, declined to speak
for publication but confirmed the twins' account of their upbringing. Their father did not return repeated phone messages,
and a spokesman for his employer, Giant Food, said that he refused to speak to the press about his sons. "When
we were writing the song," says Benji, "I threw in the part about Dad leaving and the part about my mom, and Joel's,
like, " 'Dude, I don't wanna sing that.' And I'm, like, 'Dude, it's a good part to the song.' We actually argued over
if we should sing about that." Joel says when he's singing "Little Things," he blushes. "It's
not because I'm embarrassed totally, it's because it sounds pretty bad. After we wrote the song and I really looked at it,
I was, like, 'Whoa. This all sounds pretty bad.' . . . The part about my mom, the part about my dad--that's where it's really
sensitive because it's not me anymore, it's someone else." (The boys are close to their mother, who has no objection
to the song. "My mom's very cool," says Benji. "She's, like, 'It's the truth, and I'm not ashamed of it.' My
mom's the strongest lady that I know.") The boys say that they were 16 when their father left. Around the same
time, their mother was diagnosed with lupus, became very ill and had what family members refer to as "a breakdown."
Soon after that the family was evicted from its Waldorf home. "Those were little things to us. They weren't big things,"
says Joel. "People go, 'Oh, those are big things,' but the song is 'Little Things.' "The only thing I
cared about in the last two years of high school was the band--that was the big thing. That's probably why we were able to
go through those things and consider them little things." Fans all over the country are connecting with the
song, and if you log onto the band's Web site, www.goodcharlotte.com, you'll find dozens of entries from unhappy high schoolers.
"I got, like, 'My dad just died two days ago, and I haven't talked to anyone about it, but I feel like you know what
it's like not to have a dad,' " says Benji. "I get e-mails every day from kids that are, like, 'You wrote
that song about me,' " adds Joel. "I got an e-mail from a kid in Florida, who was, like, 'I heard your song and
now I listen to it every day before I go to school. It helps me get through the day because everyone at my school hates me.'
There's these kids listening to our music--" "And it's helping them get through their days," Benji
continues. "I remember listening to music that I liked, and I remember hanging on to every word, listening to it over
and over in my room. I remember feeling songs so much that other people wrote." "Music is supposed to be
an escape," adds Joel. "It's supposed to be somewhere you go, where you can be yourself, or be whatever you want
to be. Above anything that happens, we want kids who come see us for that hour to totally forget about high school, to totally
forget about everything, to just have an awesome time."
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November 16, 2001 Lawerence, Kansas By: Nicole
Madril
LW: How did you feel after you first came out of that Beastie Boys concert. Was it like mutual that you wanted
to do music?
Benji: It was our first show, so it was a big event in our lives, but it wansnt like the deciding factor.
But it was got us to start goin to shows. After that, we just went to every punk rock show that would come through DC and
thats where we really got the desire to start a band-from goin to all those shows, it wasnt just the Beastie Boys concert.
But yea, I mean comin out of the Beastie boys concert was what we discovered live music. So thats what it really did for us.
Yea, mutual, Joel and I.
LW: You say you want kids to be able to forget their problems when they listen to you because
it comes from your heart. What do you feel is your most like inspiring song?
Benji: Hmmmm...most inspiring song would
probably have to be, for me, 'Waldorf Worldwide'. Cause we wrote that probably at our lowest point as far as finanically.
We didnt have a place to live, and um just kinda was in some trouble with the police and all kinds of stuff. So that was at
our pretty much lowest point when we wrote that song, we were sorta tryin to inspire ourselves I guess. But the most emotional
song is probably the hidden track, the song we wrote about our mom. Thats probably it, cause when I play that one, I feel
the most
LW: And about 'The Innocent', your tribute song, can you tell me a little about how you felt recording that
after it happened.
Benji: Yea! Um, we were out in California, we had got a couple days off, and when that happened
uh we were um good friends with John Feldmen from Goldfinger and um just um like we were gonna record a song with him for
a soundtrack, cause he started producing stuff and I really like his work. But anyways, I called him and I was like Man whats
goin on? and john was like I wanna do somethin and I was like so do I and we were like what can we do and so we decided, joel,
him and I decided to write a song together, so we wrote that song and we recorded it at his house. And Nick and the guys from
Mest stopped by, and they sang on it. It just came together within like a week of September 11. And we were just like wanted
to put it out there so that if we could raise any money at all or anything maybe we could help out some charities or something.
Since we couldn't be in New York and DC, helping, volunteering, thats what we chose to do so
LW: You did the Warped
Tour this year, What did you think about that?
Benji: It was the greatest tour of my entire life. Like I wanna do
the Warped Tour every year. Like I mean I became friends with all the bands that I love and respect. Every band on that tour,
you make friends that last. Now I talk to those people like once a week. Like all the bands, and every one gets so tight,
and the vibes go good. Theres no like, you know, nobodys stuck up or exclusive or anything. And if you are, people give you
s-t for it. So its great. The warped tour was so good. I wanna do it every year. I love the warped tour man, I love it.
LW:
Is this your first headlining tour?
Benji: Our first like headlining tour, yea. We did like last year we did our own
little thing, like 3 weeks, on the east coast with um Sum 41 and Mest. So that was our first like sorta little headlining
thing. Which was really not, at that time, no one knew about any of us. The shows were really small. They were really cool
cause it was like you know it was like 100 kids. But now, this is definatley like our first major headlining tour. Its been
amazing, just like playing for all these kids every night. And theyre acutally coming to see us, you know? Its pretty crazy.
Its kinda weird. It dosent feel right sometimes, but its cool. You know, weve definitaley worked for it. Like over the last
6 years, so Its cool.
LW: And looking back, what was your like first gig. What did you think of the first time you
ever played for like any group of people.
Benji: We were in this kids basement. This guy Phil Miller. And uh we were
pretty bad. Joel had his back to the audience [everyone giggles] I mean there was only like 30 kids there, but we were really
nervous, and my face, like I wasnt used to getting up in front of people really. But um I was just looking down the whole
time and we messed up like every song. And I still have the set list. But you know, I look back now, it was funny and I laugh.
It was cool. We were such little kids, you know? Like weve grown up a lot. Since then, you saw us then and you see us now
you know were the same band, but were a different band. Obviously we have a different drummer, but like but I mean, weve grown
up a lot. You know?
LW: What did you think of the Dashboard show last night?
Benji: It was great. I love Dashboard
Confessional. I think Chris Carraba is like one of the greatest song writers out right now. Hes so good. His songs like make
me wish I had a girlfriend that would break up with me. [smiles and laughs] I dont have a girlfriend, but if I did, you know?
His album is so heartfelt and like broken hearted you know? Like the one line Starving for an argument just to break the silence
Man thats so good. But uh, I dont know it was just great. Rival Schools was awesome. And me and Joel and Tony were over there
and we had a really good time. Got to talk to him afterwards, hes really nice guy. He said he had our record. So I was like
really that awesome. Said his wife liked it or something. So it was awesome. It was a huge compliment. I was like wow. Made
me feel good. I went home and smiled you know? Its always like a really really like huge huge surprise and compliment when
another artist says he has your record. Like people have said Oh yea I have your record. And you always go What, really? You
know, cause you never think anyone has your record even though you know some people have it, you know? Even when kids come
up to you and they just say Yea I have your record I love it. You kinda go Really, thats awesome. I guess cause, I dunno,
we never think. Were sorta like a low self esteem band. Like we never think anyone likes us or we never think that like people
get our record. Maybe its just like old habits. You know, old ways of thinking you know? But like just like the girl will
never go out with you. Like we always think like that. Even now, people are always like You guys get all kinds of girls. Only
were like Nooo. And uh I mean, we probably could talk to more girls you know, we probably could. If like we really stood up
and said Hi, Im so and so. But were all like so Dude, shed never talk to me. [everyone laughs] But we kinda think that way
about everything. Im not sayin thats good, but thats just the way we are.
LW: Finally, what advice would you give
people that were gonna do what you did, and try and start their own band.
Benji: Just stay at it. I mean, when you
start a band, there are so many people that wanna bring you down just because theyre jelous that youre doin something you
love to do and youre part of something. Like I know when we started our band, the next day, the day after we started the band,
we were like, you felt like you belonged somewhere. And you didnt care, about anything else because now you had like your
little crew, you know? And so its like that was us. And thats a good thing, and people always try to discourage you because
um you know I dont know whether is jelousy or whatever, but people need to just stick with it and not listen to anyone. Not
think about odds, and just if you love it, do it. And if you dont love it, dont do it. And the day you stop lovin it, dont
do it anymore. If you dont enjoy it anymore, dont do it. I know thats the way we are. If there comes a day when were like
you know, uh I dont wanna do this anymore, I wanna be a gardner or something ^group giggles^ Like I mean, you know what I
mean? Im just givin an example. Like you should always do what your passion is about. I think Ill always be passionate about
music, but if theres ever a day that Im not, Ill take a break. But its just something you have to stay with.
LW: Is
there anything else you want to tell our readers?
Benji: UhhIm very excited about Harry Potter. I didnt get to see
the movie today, but Im gonna go tomorrow. I hope. Im on the 3rd book right now.
LW: where did you get the name Good
Charlotte?
Benji: Its the name of a book. We were just like That would kinda be a cool band name. We were wrong, right?
[laughs]
LW: No, I think its a cool name. [everyone agrees]
Benji: Really?! I kinda think maybe we shoulda
gone with kinda a tougher name. But cool. You know sometimes Im like Oh its not that bad of a name but then sometimes were
like man our name sucks. Course then again, all that I listen to are bands like Rancid, the casulaites and the Unseen and
stuff. But its cool, cause like all those other tough bands, were friends with like all of em. And its like you know, kids
would think of a band like more "poppier" like more like whatever band wouldnt be, but you know its cool, cause the bottom
line is if you are who you are, then people will respect you. If youre fake, people know right away.
LW: We want to
thank you for letting us interview you.
Benji: Youre welcome, thank you guys.
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FOUND FROM MANY SITES:
It's not often that a young band of Cure/Clash/Beastie Boys-loving
barely-twenty-somethings comes tumbling out of virtually nowhere, well, Annapolis, Maryland to be exact, to drop the
year's most fiercely melodic and garage-gritty debut album. Good Charlotte is a brash young quintet whose killer first
single, a hitbound anthem of high school angst called "The Little Things," announces the arrival of a unique, genre-jumping
rock band.
Yet until just four years ago, 21 year-old lead guitarist Benji had never strummed a single chord and
front man Joel, his identical twin brother, had never sung a note. Toss in their equally precocious high school buddies,
drummer, Aaron, and bass player, Paul, plus recent recruit Billy on guitar. This is Good Charlotte: a hard-driving,
fun-loving band that has rocked Washington, DC radio station WHFS' famed HFStival for the last two years and built
a devout following in the Baltimore metro area.
Their self-titled Epic debut album is a triumphant, raucous celebration
of high school kids who found a way through music to talk back to their tormentors and survive troubled times.
Good
Charlotte, The Album, is a collection of explosive modern-rock gems with deeply personal and often very funny lyrics.
There are powerfully crafted declarations like the kick-ass "Motivation Proclamation" ("Motivate me/I wanna get myself
out of this bed/Captivate me/I want good thoughts inside of my head"); and songs with haunted, autobiographical overtones,
like "The Little Things."
"Me and Benji have always written from personal experiences," says lead singer Joel.
"You've got my brother on guitar, he's got that punk-rock aggression, and you've got me singing." He gestures to his
heart: "Everything comes from here."
Most of Good Charlotte's songs resonate with a heartfelt but humorous sense
of personal triumph over some pretty bad luck. Others, like "WaldorfWorldwide," take a socio-political slant: "All I
wanna do is kick the welfare/All I wanna do is get my share/I don't wanna run for President/I just want an honest way
to pay my rent."
"We want kids to come to our shows and forget about everything," says Joel. "Whatever their
problems are, we want them to be focused on the energy, have a good time, and then go back to their normal life tomorrow."
The brothers, who hail from Waldorf, Maryland, were avid baseball players throughout their early teens and had
never contemplated playing music until one extraordinary day. During what Joel calls "a weird time" when they were
16 and dealing with some serious family problems, the brothers attended their first rock concert, the Beastie Boys'
"Ill Communication" tour, and felt the earth move beneath their feet.
"It changed our lives totally," says Joel.
"We were both freaked out and knew this is what we were going to do."
Benji went home and dug a cheap guitar out
of the closet, one that the brothers had never touched before. Their good friend and future bassist Paul taught Benji
a few basic chords, igniting a lifetime obsession. Another high school buddy, Aaron, quit the football team to play
drums and supply studio space in his house.
"We had our first band practice maybe two weeks after I started playing
guitar," laughs Benji. "I knew three chords: D, G and A! I became fascinated with all of the late-Seventies punks. There
was something about those old recordings, those seven-inch singles...There's no music that sounds like that today
because of the raw quality."
"I love the chaotic, wild way the guitars sound on 'The Little Things,'" he enthuses.
"And some of the sound on our song 'East Coast Anthem' comes straight out of the Clash handbook."
By their senior
year of high school, the brothers' musical obsession had become all encompassing. "We totally withdrew from everything
else," says Joel. "Our whole life was this band. Every weekend we had a show. We were totally blind, all we could see
was the big picture: We were going to make it."
In 1998, the twins along with Paul and Aaron moved to Annapolis
to join its thriving music scene. Skipping college, Joel and Benji decided, was a risk they had to take. Economically,
they barely survived, working a series of low-paying jobs as stock boys, waiters, and ("our best job") shampoo boys
at a beauty salon.
"We made a name for ourselves in that town because we played out everywhere," says Joel. "Every
party, every bar. People knew us as the twins that play."
Joel befriended Billy when the guitarist showed up to
see the twins play an acoustic set at a local hangout. "I thought, wow, these are really good songs," he recalls.
"There were a lot of local bands doing their own things, but these songs...every one of them could have been a radio
hit."
Billy was playing with his band Overflow at the time. After the twins got kicked out of their apartment,
they moved into Billy's house. One day, Good Charlotte coaxed him into joining in an impromptu practice. A week later,
Billy played his first show with the band.
Things moved fast for the young group. Unsigned Good Charlotte played
with Blink 182 and Bad Religion, and opened for Lit on a sold-out East Coast tour. They found local champions in the dee-jays
at their beloved radio station WHFS, who began hiring Good Charlotte to play station gigs and finally asked them to play
the local stage at the HFStival. In the spring of 2000, Good Charlotte made a bold career leap to HFStival's second
stage, sharing the bill with Eve 6 and Nine Days. Good Charlotte played charity gigs with equal fervor, ranging from
benefits for the Annapolis Rape Center to the Leukemia Foundation.
A demo of "The Little Things" made its way
to Philadelphia modern rock station WPLY (Y100) and broke a record on the station's show of dueling songs. "For fifteen
nights we won 'til they had to retire us," says Joel. The buzz around Good Charlotte was deafening. After being courted
by a variety of labels, they finally signed with Epic Records this year.
Producer Don Gilmore (Lit, Eve 6) was
recruited to guide the quintet through their debut album. "What drew me to the band the most was their personality,"
says Gilmore. "There's a lot of pop-punk rock bands that have gotten record deals, but these guys are doing something
really different."
Benji looks around the New York studio where Good Charlotte is recording. A sheet of recorded
tracks hangs on the wall with titles like "I Want To Stop," "Complicated," and the tentatively-titled, still-developing
"Thank You Note to Mom."
"Sometimes it doesn't feel real," he says quietly, running his hand through his shock
of pink hair. "Then I realize that it is, like when I'm walking home from the studio to the subway at night and I realize
that we're in New York making a record."
"We've been doing this for four years, and there were all those times
when we were crammed into a car, driving three hours home from a gig and we hadn't even made enough money to pay for gas.
It's thinking of those times that it really hits you."
Benji pauses, shakes his head and smiles, "We daydreamed
all this stuff and now it's all happening."
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